McLarengate- Is the hole getter deeper?
I also find the title rather unoriginal but hey- I'm pushed for time here.
This post refers to the ongoing comedy show that is Trafficdepartment.co.za
Guy has managed to get his site back under control after it was defaced and has responded with some references to some of the points I have raised. The title to his post is:
In his post Guy has made reference to Corey Rudl who in the early days of the internet saw a gap in the market and capitalised on it very effectively. I don't agree with Guy in using this as a reason not to have a visually appealing site. After all, Corey's site was cutting edge in 1994, and it embraced all the technology available to him at the time. Using this logic, sites these day really should be utilising more advanced techniques. (PS, if coded corrected, flash can be SEO optimised)
With regard to "the real reason people have businesses" and "not having a clue", I'm going to have to disagree again. I'm involved in a range of online activity, and I can assure you not everyone has a website online so they can drive sales. I'm not trying to be a smart arse here, but there are various reasons to have a site online. Guy- it's a bit like TV... not everyone is a Verimark shop. (Okay, that was pretty smart-arsed)
With regard to your offering being 'valueless', I'll disagree- it's not valueless, however I don't think it represents good value for money. Guy- you have provided examples of 'traditional' costs of domain registration etc. Thank you for this as I'm a bit out of touch with the SA costs of these.
However Guy, from what I gather when a client registers a domain with you, it is registered in your name. Why is this? Are your clients aware that in doing so they hold no rights to their domain? Are they paying for something and not owning it?
When examining your costs you failed to mention my suggestion of osCommerce.com (which is just one of many). You did bring up the point of having to have some knowledge of html and CSS, and whilst this is a valid point it still doesn't cost anything to ask for help in a forum. You've referred to the ego's of designers/developers quite a bit in your post, and you're right, they want nothing more than to show you how clever they are... might as well let them... for free.
I am not trying to prove how clever I am here... in fact take a look at my blog. Does it look like I have the first clue about design/development?
I have taken offence to the fact that you are charging people for your expertise when in fact I don't feel that you are in a position to.
I believe that Trafficdepartment's Multi-level marketing is borderline ponzi scheme, pyramid scheme, take your pick. Even if it is to two levels all of a sudden.
Once again, I think it is a very clever idea, however it just rubs me the wrong way.
This post refers to the ongoing comedy show that is Trafficdepartment.co.za
Guy has managed to get his site back under control after it was defaced and has responded with some references to some of the points I have raised. The title to his post is:
Have the script kiddies proven anything other than how infantile they are?
... The answer to this question is- no.
Moving on...In his post Guy has made reference to Corey Rudl who in the early days of the internet saw a gap in the market and capitalised on it very effectively. I don't agree with Guy in using this as a reason not to have a visually appealing site. After all, Corey's site was cutting edge in 1994, and it embraced all the technology available to him at the time. Using this logic, sites these day really should be utilising more advanced techniques. (PS, if coded corrected, flash can be SEO optimised)
With regard to "the real reason people have businesses" and "not having a clue", I'm going to have to disagree again. I'm involved in a range of online activity, and I can assure you not everyone has a website online so they can drive sales. I'm not trying to be a smart arse here, but there are various reasons to have a site online. Guy- it's a bit like TV... not everyone is a Verimark shop. (Okay, that was pretty smart-arsed)
With regard to your offering being 'valueless', I'll disagree- it's not valueless, however I don't think it represents good value for money. Guy- you have provided examples of 'traditional' costs of domain registration etc. Thank you for this as I'm a bit out of touch with the SA costs of these.
However Guy, from what I gather when a client registers a domain with you, it is registered in your name. Why is this? Are your clients aware that in doing so they hold no rights to their domain? Are they paying for something and not owning it?
When examining your costs you failed to mention my suggestion of osCommerce.com (which is just one of many). You did bring up the point of having to have some knowledge of html and CSS, and whilst this is a valid point it still doesn't cost anything to ask for help in a forum. You've referred to the ego's of designers/developers quite a bit in your post, and you're right, they want nothing more than to show you how clever they are... might as well let them... for free.
I am not trying to prove how clever I am here... in fact take a look at my blog. Does it look like I have the first clue about design/development?
I have taken offence to the fact that you are charging people for your expertise when in fact I don't feel that you are in a position to.
I believe that Trafficdepartment's Multi-level marketing is borderline ponzi scheme, pyramid scheme, take your pick. Even if it is to two levels all of a sudden.
Once again, I think it is a very clever idea, however it just rubs me the wrong way.
Labels: guy mclaren, muti, Technology, web 2.0
4 Comments:
What you are accusing me of is a criminal offence in South Africa. I am first and foremost not a criminal.
Cory Rudl may have designed that site in the 90's but I notice he never changed it ever. Is that because like me he doesn't see the need to change something that works? I learned that when something is not broken, you have no need to fix it.
If flash is so SEO optimizable, why are so few flash sites anywhere in the top search results?
Maybe some people have businesses for fun, but my clients all have them to sell products or services. If you want to have a site for brandbuilding then you are not my target market, are you?
Your opinion on value for money is noted, My clients that are getting results may disagree with you but hey, Opinions are a dime a dozen, every arsehole has one.
Of course they own the domain. I am merely a facilitator. Registering .com domains is easy, You can fill in a form online, submit and the setup is done. coza domains are different, try that and you will have bounce backs. In fact many SA domain registrars use the same system as I do especially those that are registering more than one domain at a time. I find it incredible when people see something that is not. Glass half empty?
Why would I when I am selling my product advertise my oppositions, Do you expect Bill Gates to say, Hey linux is better and free on his adverts? Come On, Are you an idiot? Do you work for free?
If you had a clue about anything you would never have written these asinine blogs.
Hello Guy, good to see you back here.
You have raised some interesting points here:
Cory Rudl- I suspect he never changed his site for a number of reasons, including your point of if it's not broken, don't fix it. However the fact that he went on to become a successful, writer, speaker and consultant using his basic site as an example of what can be acheived- has got a lot to do with it.
Flash/SEO- Because they aren't coded for SEO. Companies who use flash sites probably don't have an SEO strategy. The fact remains that flash is not evil, and does not automatically mean sacrificing search rankings.
Target market- point conceded. However I doubt your target market would be trawling Muti either.
Domains- I have already had one of your clients comment on my blog regarding issues with your registration practices.
Advertising competition- Please note the use of the word competition. I bring this up as I am not an idiot. I wouldn't expect you to advertise your competition, however if you consider blogger et al as your competition then I wish you luck. I do feel, that in order to sustain your business that you need to differentiate your offering, and to do so you need to educate your clients as to what is out there. I don't work for free, but my clients know why I'm more expensive than everyone else. I educate them, and use the USP's of the competition to my advantage. Sure I may lose out on some business every now and then, but I am trusted source of information. No gimmicks, no bull.
You have said that I am clueless.- I sincerely hope not. But after all opinions are a dime a dozen, every arsehole has one.
Asinine: def- resembling an ass. Synonym- Simple. Thanks, my vocabulary of words I hope never to use in public grows daily. Do you really speak like that or are you just trying to come across as more intelligent? Honestly- it ranks right up there with correcting someones' spelling.
Have a wonderful Sunday... come on the Bokke!
I actually use words of more than one syllable in regular conversation. See besides being able to code when I need to, I read a substantial amount. Maybe if you were more well versed in the art of reading books you would have come across these words before.
I really don't consider blogger et al to be real competition but why would I advertise their offerings on my site. Surely it is not in my interests to market some one elses product.
I too am expensive when I do custom coding, My cheap offering does not require much input from me, Its template based after all, I have someone in the office that does the setup and mostly deals with the clients.
If you had bothered to enquire prior to your attack you would have known that.
Maybe just this once you can be man enough to admit that you were wrong in your assesment. But then again, Why should I be concerned about your opinion.
Despite your attempts to destroy my credibility and don't believe everything you hear. Get some clarification. Richard Catto I believe has spoken to the lady in question and to me. He knows the facts. You on the other hand have the bull by the tail and are unarmed.
Be very wary.
Good Lord Guy! You are flashing Richard Catto as if he's the next best thing since sliced cheese!! So you have a man in your ranks - big deal! So he writes some of your copy - big deal! For the record, Richard Catto did not call me. I inadvertently called him. He was all smarm and charm and didn't fail to drop in the line that he had spent his morning at church (which had absoultely no relevance to the conversation other than as an attempt to imply something or other.)
Richard Catto knows only one thing from me - and that is that I don't need his or your assitance in any way. I know where I stand legally with regard to my domain and since I have operated as a business with said name, for a long time I do not believe that Uniform will take well to you holding me to ransom on it at any stage. Neither will Richard's threats that if you de-register it, i stand to loose it to some opportunist. For goodness sake I'm a tiny fish in a very big sea. My gripe with you was about you retaining my domain within your system and then when I attempted to use said system to somehow temporarily save face to a degree, you proceeded to display how little control your customers have over the sites they purchase from you.
I apologise to the owner's of this site if you mind me mouthing my views here. I have nowhere else. Guy has pretended to lay down arms on My Genius but is continuing to slate me aywhere else that he can get his grubby paws on and he fails to realise that I am more than a match for his pathetic mission to save face at my expense.
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